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On the second 2-D Teleidoscope Podcast– Watching anime, with other people. (Also, a whole lot of Code Geass.)
Direct Link to MP3 (20.5 MB, 22 minutes 29 seconds)
(WARNING: This podcast contains spoilers for Code Geass R2 and Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Listen at your own risk!)
Links
Scamp – The Cart Driver
Daniel (Foshizzel) – Metanorn
Tim (Ephemeral Dreamer) – Ephemeral Dreams
Sound Credits
Opening (00:00 – 01:37):
“Postmeridie” (Puella Magi Madoka Magica OST)
“Magia (off-vocal version)” (Kalafina)
Part 1, Spoiler Warning (01:38 – 11:29):
“Desiderium” (Puella Magi Madoka Magica OST)
“Sunflower Slow Drag” (Scott Joplin)
“Nooo!” (audio excerpt from Star Wars)
“The Heart of the Island” (Lost OST)
“Bye Bye Bye” (Lullatone)
“Vertigo Theme” (Bernard Herrmann)
“Colors” (Flow)
“Devil Created” (Code Geass OST)
“O2″ (Orange Range)
“Suzaku, this is your punishment” (audio excerpt from Code Geass R2)
“Isn’t that right, Lelouch?” (audio excerpt from Code Geass R2)
“Waga Routashi Aku no Hana” (Ali Project)
Part 2, The Spark of Fandom (11:30 – 19:31):
“Scaena Felix” (Puella Magi Madoka Magica OST)
“Baked Words” (Code Geass OST)
“Stray Cat” (Code Geass OST)
“State of Emergency” (Code Geass OST)
“Boyhood” (Code Geass OST)
Ending (19:32 – 22:29):
“Clementia” (Puella Magi Madoka Magica OST)
“Connect” (ClariS)
Also, super special thanks to Jon Sahagian for logging Andrew’s interviews!
September 9, 2011 at 1:46 am
I like to think that madoka is something you watch alone, but something you discuss with others. Religion is always a hot topic :3
September 9, 2011 at 1:54 am
I’ll happen to disagree, since watching Madoka with someone was one of the best decisions I ever made.
September 9, 2011 at 3:30 am
Why? How? You can find out here, in the 2-D Teleidoscope Podcast #1: “Not Quite Tanabata”!
http://2dteleidoscope.wordpress.com/2011/08/08/podcast-1-not-quite-tanabata/
September 9, 2011 at 11:17 am
It’s also very embarrassing to cry in front of your friends.
I have to admit, the final episode still had me choking up at parts.
September 9, 2011 at 7:17 am
Watching anime as part of a group – either with SCCSAV or in the same room as other people, both of which I have had the pleasure of doing – is a totally different experience to watching alone. Some of the best times of my life have been had in my university’s Anime Society, enjoying the good and mocking the bad.
September 9, 2011 at 11:16 am
Oh yes. In fact, I met Andrew at my university’s anime club. That worked out well!
Haven’t we watched some SCCSAV thing together, you and I? If we haven’t, we should.
Thanks for listening!
September 12, 2011 at 1:48 pm
I don’t believe we have! I watched the second half of Endless Summer and I’ve seen two Terribads, and that’s it.
September 9, 2011 at 10:57 am
Another fascinating podcast; thanks! I had to skip a few minutes during Scamp’s response, but seeing as my Code Geass purity remains intact it was a worthy sacrifice!
I loved the image of Tim’s brother creeping in and out of the room during Geass’ action scenes; for reason it reminded me of a wary mouse creeping closer towards food, haha. That’s probably how I looked when I first witnessed some older friends watching The Guyver ova’s. It certainly was the tipping point of my descent into anime fandom. Sadly watching Eva with my brothers didn’t go quite as well. Perhaps I should have started with something a little less dense and more instantly gratifying, like Baccano!
Although I still enjoy watching anime alone for the most part, these days I am beginning to feel a little left out not being able to share experiences with others. Maybe bad experiences in the past have soured me to the notion. In any case, I definitely need to check out SCCSAV at some point in the future (particularly the infamous terribad screenings
).
ps. I’m still blown away that Fosh watched HSoD with his dad. I couldn’t even watch that show on my own, lol.
September 9, 2011 at 11:15 am
So the spoiler warning worked! Fabulous.
I’m very glad!
As for watching anime alone, I don’t think you should feel too put out. That’s the default, really. Which is why watching anime with other people can so often be a special experience.
Thanks for listening!
September 9, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Ahahahah yeaaaaah HoTD for my dad was like oh cool zombies then it turned into what? Due to all the random fanservice and that boob+Matrix episode…ya….
September 9, 2011 at 11:25 am
Damn, great topics, also great interviewees, haha. Some good memories of the mentions; the story of R2 aside, there was a ton of good energy in the fandom around that time. I totally see how this is relevant to “watching together” even though it’s a more distributed approach. Seasonal series provide watches in proximity, not necessarily together, but the discussions happen around the same time, and that’s maybe the greatest benefit. And even without real-time live watches, there is still a great deal of time-sensitive disussion to glean from the community.
Man, I agree with Andrew on Madoka, in so many ways. After the second or third episode, I just didn’t feel like following it, but it was the group watches that kept me going. I eventually finished the last 4-5 episode with Ame/@Roghek, and I probably wouldn’t have finished otherwise. Glad I did, because even though it wasn’t at the level I was hoping for (philosophically) and the characters felt very distant, it was still a very good series and stimulated some of the best discussion in the ‘sphere.
That said, I don’t think every series can be watched with others, you know. And there are some stories I believe to be better experienced on our own (or with “certain” people). ^ ^ Thanks for hard work!
P.S. fwiw AnimeNFO was a great site. Still some of the best reviews are hosted there, just have to dig them up.
P.S.S. I think before watching with others, I would read manga with others, which seems kind of strange, but it was fun. My buddy and I read through 16 volumes of Rurouni Kenshin scans, lol. Good times.
September 9, 2011 at 11:28 am
Oh and I’m not sure how reading manga together works [online]. In my experience , we were sitting in recliners and staring at the same big computer monitor. That was almost ten years ago it seems, before I started watching anime actually.
September 9, 2011 at 12:35 pm
That would drive me mad. I’m an obsessive re-reader; I linger on a page and go over the phrases I just read a couple times, to make sure I soaked it in and really juiced out the essence. But to each their own.
September 9, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Yes, unfortunately i have to agree too… Especially in rewatch mode, those first four or five episodes of Madoka are kind of dull. Even with episode 3.
I think when it comes to weekly watching, the biggest joy comes out of the weekly injection of new content, followed by a frenetic explosion of online activity. I don’t think I quite did that concept justice. Next time!
Thanks for listening, Mr. Ryan.
September 9, 2011 at 11:46 am
I’m suddenly nervous all of a sudden now. Especially since my hearing aids have been sent away for repair and I am now totally deaf. Guess I’ll have to wait quite a while until I get my hearing aids back to be able to listen to the podcast. ^_^”
P.S. I find it amusing that you posted up the podcast right when I’m about to publish my editorial today. I suppose I’ll add another very brief post about this. *chuckles*
September 9, 2011 at 11:50 am
I have a concern, actually– I’m told that I’m pretty soft-spoken, so I’m afraid you’ll have trouble understanding even with your hearing aids. Would you like a transcript of your segment? It wouldn’t be hard to whip one up, and it’s the least I can do for your great story.
September 9, 2011 at 11:53 am
Sure, having a transcript would be very helpful! Thank you. ^_^
September 9, 2011 at 11:58 am
OK, it’ll be my pleasure! I’ll have that for you this weekend.
September 9, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Awesome story Tim! Sounds a bit like my own I do miss those awesome moments in Geass! And the action scenes were always great
September 9, 2011 at 12:02 pm
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September 9, 2011 at 12:08 pm
That has to be one of the odder sentences I’ve ever heard come out of a vocabulary book. ^ ^
I experienced something similar to Tim with my own brother and Oofuri of all things. I had bought the DVDs and for a short while was staying with my parents in Massachusetts, where my brother also was. One night, I popped in and marathoned the first DVD, all the while noticing that my brother was poking his head in and out of the room as I was watching it. By the end of the series, he was hooked, and when the second series came out, he would always ask me whenever we saw each other if I had the latest episode of “Mihashi” (since that was the character he latched on to). It didn’t cause him to seek out other anime, but it was a fantastic experience just to sit back and realize that he was loving something that I loved too.
Thanks for everyone’s stories, they were fantastic to listen to! Interesting to note that Code Geass served such a similar purpose in so many people’s lives.
September 9, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I know, right? It was so bizarre that I just had to wedge it in somehow.
Fandom is so interesting, because there’s this massive tension between a solitary hobby (a hobby that gradually built itself through technology to be solitary, I should say) and a very human urge to go out and share it. I just hope I did the concept some justice this time around.
The Code Geass thread across all the other stories was completely unplanned. But I’m rather glad it turned out that way! Thanks for listening.
September 9, 2011 at 1:02 pm
I think half of Madoka’s charm came from the wait between the episodes and letting everyone get hyped up for what would happen next…and then everyone being completely blindsided by the next development.
My sister and I watched Geass together too…until she raced ahead of me online and I was left to finish it on my own. She did the same for Death Note…I wonder if there is a pattern here I should notice.
September 9, 2011 at 1:23 pm
This is true. Andrew felt he was watching more critically since the show was already over. Even in his vigilance, he couldn’t recreate the feeling of watching the show for the first time. Pity, really.
Lots of Geass and Death Note stories… I wonder if they’re the new Bebop-esque gateway series for people. Anyway, thanks for listening!
September 9, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Another great podcast, always lovely to hear other people’s experiences.
Seems Code Geass sticks out in a lot of people’s personal fandom. For me it was the show that my brother & I watched religiously every weekend together, I remember when the final episode of the first season ended we both let out twin exclamations of “NOOOOO! You can’t stop there!!” XD R2 we ended up watching separately as he was at Uni, but we still discussed it. The Geass fan phenomenon was also what clued me into the existence of the aniblogosphere – it was a great time to be an anime fan.
With Madoka, I really think the experience of watching a few episodes with the fledgling SCCSAV made the show even more interesting – other people spot things you miss & raise very interesting opinions. Half the enjoyment I got from Madoka was reading posts & listening to other people’s thoughts….not too sure how well it would hold up to a rewatch though.
September 9, 2011 at 1:37 pm
… Now I should probably tell everybody that I’ve never actually seen the end of Code Geass R2 myself. I was just spoiled to hell and back, to the point where I don’t even mind.
It’s so very interesting how we’ve built a community out of the SCCSAV. Something to consider for next time, I guess. Thanks for listening!
September 9, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Ah, the sharing of pursuits & interests. An activity often started through personal motivation that, after investing time & energy, becomes a social means of engagement. I fondly recall reading Lloyd Alexander’s The Prydain Chronicles to my sister, and later watching some of my favorite films with my youngest siblings, including Hayao Miyazaki’s flicks.
The act of sharing favorites–favorite films, favorite TV series, favorite books & manga, also affords an opportunity to live vicariously through the other’s virgin experience while at the same time lending a different perspective to the piece, seeing it through another lens. IOW, a means, like the podcast stated, of rejuvenating interest & avoiding the law of diminishing returns.
Another quality podcast, 2DT–thanks to both the interviewer & interviewees for their stories & hard work! It inspired, for me at least, a pleasant trip down memory lane in addition to valuable input on shared viewing experiences, spoiling & anime!
September 11, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Reading to someone is a pleasure I’ve yet to experience. But it sounds nice!
Thanks for listening. You’re exactly the listener people dream of, you know.
September 9, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Awesome recording 2DT! Amazing guests I like everyone’s stories! So nice to see what everyone likes as far as anime and making new fans, yep always fun to see others get pulled into anime.
Great quality and awesome music man! Always amazing. I liked those stories with your friend! I can’t wait to show my sister that series once it gets finished! Really fun series.
Thanks again for the fun recording
September 11, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Thank you so much for being a wonderful guest! After the fact, I just wish I got you to talk a little more about you and your dad.
September 12, 2011 at 2:08 am
Ahahah thanks! Yeah I probably should have, ah well it was still fun and interesting to hear the other stories
September 9, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Can’t really reply as long as the others, but just starting into it is already amazing. No words. Great cast and really nice quality. For once, I’ll download a podcast.
Also, watching anime as a group is great. Just joined SCCSAV and loving it. Met some new faces.
September 11, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Oh, great! Then perhaps you and I will get to talk, one of these days. I hope we do; I’ve been checking out your blog, and you seem to me like just a lovely person.
Thanks for listening!
September 12, 2011 at 10:38 pm
I got praised by a blogger I respect (with a great voice). My life is :3
September 9, 2011 at 8:26 pm
The group watching thing is not for me. Unless I am closed off I can not really focus on watching a series or really pull any deep concepts from it.
BTW: Have to go pull up your previous pod-cast.
September 11, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Well, it’s surprising. Some of my best blogging ideas came about from discussing things with the people I watch shows with, like bouncing a superball on a wall. But I definitely know what you mean.
Thanks for listening, and I hope you enjoy episode 1! Try not to cringe at the sound quality; I was learning.
September 9, 2011 at 11:43 pm
I’ve never been much of a group anime watcher. Back home, my brother would usually buy the retail release of a show and we’d watch it. But other than that, I would usually watch something and then tell one or more of my friends to check this show out, and usually got good responses to that. Not that I wouldn’t mind doing a group watch, but the opportunities never presented themselves to me.
September 11, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Every time you comment, I feel a little surge of joy. This may or may not have to do with your choice of avatar.
Most of my group watches are with my brother or close friends, too, just because I know how they will enhance my viewing experience. But that said, aren’t you on the SCCSAV? We should watch something together one of these days!
September 10, 2011 at 12:53 am
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September 10, 2011 at 2:39 am
This was really great! I’d like to hear more of your podcasts in the future (and maybe even be in one)!
I really like watching shows with my friends, especially if neither/none of us have seen it before; it’s really fun to react together. Watching by myself is often just a measure to keep up with everyone else so I can talk with them without spoilers.
And Andrew’s lukewarm reaction to Madoka mildly upsets me.
September 11, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Well, seeing as my guest pool is currently limited to fellow bloggers and people who live nearby, it’s certainly likely.
Glad you enjoyed it– and you helped me a lot, too, that time we watched Usagi Drop together. Thanks!
I’m actually surprised Andrew hasn’t gotten a little more flak.
September 10, 2011 at 8:19 am
I love watching anime with my younger brother; but it’s hard not to spoil the show when I’m watching it before I show it to him. My brother is a lot more picky than I am so it’s really hard to give him shows which start slow without explicitly promising “it gets better”. He drops shows whenever he sees something he doesn’t like (even if it was 90% finished), he dropped Death Note half way (Someone dies), Phantom of the Inferno – 80% (Busty 13 year old), Code Geass – 10% (“Chins so sharp you could kill someone with”), Gundam 00 S2 – 50% (Man in a dress). Its hard to show people new shows because you feel you are being put on spotlight as well as the show (“How could you like something like this/think this was good/think I would like this”). Wan him to watch Madoka but am waiting for the blu-rays, and have to force him to sit through the 3 episodes of quiet, light-heartedness before the storm comes in.
P.S Bit weird that you regularly talk about pornography on your blog but censor mild swearing.
September 11, 2011 at 11:06 pm
“It gets better” seems like the universal carrot used by anime fans to get people to stick around. Don’t feel too guilty.
I try to treat every entry of mine as a unique entity, so talking about porno’s one thing, this podcast is another. That said, I realize the inconsistency of not censoring the “god damn it” at the very beginning of the episode.
Thanks for listening!
September 10, 2011 at 9:53 am
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September 10, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Watching anime together, eh.
Back when I first started watching anime, that’s the way it sort of was, me and my younger brother would watch a few Naruto, then Bleach episodes each day together, but then after a short amount of time,my interest far outgrew my brothers, so I began to watch them by myself. Back then, once or twice, I watched some anime with my brothers friends as well, ahh, sigh, I feel so nostalgic, but the watching together part might have had something to do with the fact that our computers were all in the same room.
I know my brother still likes anime deep down, but he will never admit to it and heck, he even blames anime for the corruption of our youngest brother. Having said that, sometimes, I can still force him to watch something with me, but it doesn’t happen often.
As for my youngest brother, well, it’s debatable, but he might have seen more anime than me by now, the kid is a monster. If I wanted to, I could sit with him and watch stuff together, but for some reason I don’t.
I remember at towards the end of highschool, since we were bored, a friend of mine brought his laptop to school and he showed us Guran Lagan during lunch. We only watched like 4 or 5 episodes together, but it was enough for me to get addicted, and as a result, bomb my chemistry exam.
Last weekend, I made my dad sit down and watch a few episodes of Usagi Drop with me. He enjoyed it, hopefully next weekend, I can get us to marathon through the rest of the series.
September 11, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Sorry to hear about your brother.
But give everything time! It’s like the full circle of how everybody goes through their “baka pocky neko sugoi” phase as a teenager, only to return to it in a sense when they’re in their twenties and marathoning Mayo Chiki or what-have-you. 
September 11, 2011 at 5:36 am
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September 11, 2011 at 10:03 am
The thing about madoka was it was too good that I need to recommend it to others.
SO far my brother and 2 of my sisters already watched madoka.
My friend usually download Naruto back in college and watched it so that’s why I am very excited in meeting people who shares the same thought as I but the only problem for me was, I am not much of a Naruto watcher… I kinda liked the ‘other shows’.
Overall, it was great experience. And of course, it would be better if the people I knew show go outside the generic thing.
September 11, 2011 at 11:09 pm
So you’re definitely someone who would recommend the show. Very different from Andrew’s experience.
But Madoka’s status as “great anime” is very touchy, I notice!
Thanks for listening.
September 12, 2011 at 5:55 am
I nominate 2DT for most soothing voice ever. :3
September 12, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Thanks.
September 12, 2011 at 9:19 am
Not pulling a shameless plug or anything, but I think you might be interested in two posts from my blog.
My blogmate Chad wrote this on the “together” experience:
http://trzr23.blogspot.com/2011/09/watching-anime-together.html
And me on the Law of Diminishing Returns thing:
http://trzr23.blogspot.com/2011/07/virgin-anime-experience-trazor-has.html
The contrast of Magia to your soothing voice was a nice touch. Listening to Memories of Geass brings back memories – I really do pity those who watched it week-by-week because the wait between each week would be pure agony.
Right, I showed Madoka and Geass to my anime-watching friend (who isn’t part of the internet fandom) and while he was totally spellbound by the latter, he found Madoka good, but not that big of a deal. When I told him how it differs from other mahou shoujo anime, he was a tad more impressed, which leads me to think the anti-stereotype catapulted Madoka into the heights it reached.
Well, another trademark TRazor long comment. Nice and fun podcast as always, your dedication with all the SFX shows. Excellent
Would love to be part of it someday.
September 12, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Great posts! I very much recommend them for other readers.
Thanks for listening! And I’m always willing to hear if you’ve got a story to tell.
September 16, 2011 at 11:02 pm
I watched the ending of Code Geass R2 without watching R2 past episode 10. I watched it on 4chan—I stayed on /a/ from the moment the last episode began airing in Japan until people had time to watch the fansub (something like half an hour later) and it was one of the most awesome experiences of my fandom. Thread after thread, hour after hour, so much discussion and yelling and everything. It was amazing.
I avoid spoilers lackadaisically. Actually getting spoiled doesn’t annoy me much at all. In fact, I often like being spoiled, either to avoid a show with a lame twist (or a manga, i.e. Usagi Drop), or to learn something that might inspire me to watch the show.
This is the best podcast I’ve ever heard, by the way.
September 19, 2011 at 12:38 am
I agree, mostly– the execution should be the most important thing, but sometimes (like with mysteries), knowing really does ruin something.
Thank you for the praise.
I live for it!
September 24, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Another fun podcast with some lovely voices and stories, 2DT! Aside from the occasional trip to the cinema to watch the latest Ghibli release with some of my friends (‘some’ being the operative word, given the sparsity of such releases and the fact that hardly any of my irl friends watch anime), the only group watches I’ve taken part in have been online with the #sccsav via Skype/ TeamSpeak, and they have largely been very positive experiences. I usually prefer being in small groups for these, though a recent large group watch of Redline was tonnes of fun. As others have mentioned, watching anime with other people can be such a lovely experience, and not just for obvious reasons to do with enjoying something you like in the company of people you like, but also because it can be so inspiring and lead to further discussion and writing…
October 2, 2011 at 8:17 am
The gist I got from this podcast. Spoilers are complicated, enraging, and perhaps even inspiring. That said, I’m still probably rarely going to do spoiler tags.
October 16, 2011 at 12:40 am
Sorry for the late comment, it existed on my mind a month ago.
Ahaha, I’m the kind of person who actually doesn’t mind (or sometimes even like) spoilers.
I had a friend in Mexico, and she was just the same, she is (and me too) the kind of person who goes to the cinema with her brother and asks him “what happens next?, they don’t die right?” during the film =w=
I think it was probably because we weren’t able to watch anything unless shown on public TV, so if you really wanted to know what happens next, the only way were spoilers, is not the same now so perhaps that’s why I mind spoilers a bit more now, but old habits die hard.
Is fun watching anime with other people, but sometime is also a gentle way of forcing you to do something (similar to peer pressure), similar to Ryan who wasn’t allowed to drop Madoka, I got babysitted through almost all the first Gintama season.
Being the kind of person who likes to share all the funny things she sees, if I don’t have anyone to share watch I’ll probably end up narrating the story to my mum, cuz I have no friends =3=
My friend from Mexico, we would watch, and read comics together whenever we had the chance, and it was funny because we would stop at the same time and look at each other and talk about it, is so much fun, and yes that’s why anime should be.
December 14, 2011 at 3:48 am
Sth irrelevant: How can I join SCCSAV?
December 16, 2011 at 11:36 am
Everything you need is here:
http://www.sccsav.org/
December 21, 2011 at 1:25 pm
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August 10, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Ah, watching anime together. It really is something special. I think…it doesn’t elevate the quality of a series, but changes it all together. I watched Queen’s Blade: Rebellion with a number of people on Skype, for instance, and I actually genuinely enjoyed the experience (which I definitely wouldn’t have were I watching alone).
Very well done podcast. I’m glad these are here to listen to. I know we chat on Twitter, but because of these I still feel like I can interact with you a little on your blog, even though I got here after you closed up shop.